Conjoined Twin Engaged
January 14th 2009 03:10
It was announced on XM Radio that conjoined twin Brittany Hensel is engaged. The connected twins were born in Minnesota and sky-rocketed to fame the moment they were born. To heighten peoples’ curiosity, Brittany and Abby filmed a popular documentary for the TLC channel and have been seen in various esteemed magazines.
Though Brittany is engaged, Abby (her other half) is not engaged. They also have separate driver’s licenses, favorite foods, distinct personalities and so forth. So why is it so shocking to know one is engaged? What about sex? Let’s face it. Sex is the question on everyone’s mind. It’s not like one can leave while the other is having sex. Will both enjoy the sex together? If they have children whose child will it be? I suppose what is awkward to us is normal to them. Best of luck Brittany, and congratulations on your engagement.
The Anatomy of the twins from Wikipedia:
Most of Abigail's and Brittany's shared organs are located at or below the level of the navel and their merging coccyx.
•2 heads
•2 completely separate spinal cords
•2 spines with ribs bridging the two columns
•1 broad ribcage, with surgery to correct scoliosis and expand the pleural cavities
•2 breasts
•2 highly fused sternums, traces of bridging ribs
•4 lungs (medial lungs moderately fused, not involving Brittany's upper right lobe); three pleural cavities
•1 diaphragm with well-coordinated involuntary breathing, slight central defect
•2 hearts in a shared circulatory system (nutrition, respiration, medicine taken by either affects both)
•2 stomachs
•2 gallbladders
•1 liver, enlarged and elongated right lobe
•Y-shaped small intestine which experiences a slightly spastic double peristalsis at the juncture
•1 large intestine with one colon
•2 left kidneys, 1 right kidney
•1 bladder
•1 set of reproductive organs
•2 separate half-sacrums, which converge distally
•1 slightly broad pelvis
•2 legs
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I do wish them all the best though and hope the girls can find happiness, I'm sure their lives must be a nightmare.
Comment by alt_ed
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These girls really are two separate people- two minds, to hearts... sure, they share the reproductive organs, but all that really means is if one was to fall pregnant the other is like a semi-surrogate mother I guess.
Why does Brittney's fiancé have to be a sick weirdo? Don't we all like to spout shit about how it's whats on the inside that counts?? Well, these twins merely share some transport- but as far as the minds are concerned they are as unique as any of us!!
Comment by Teresa Ralton
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I rarely think of other people having sex, I'm really not interested; but with something so very unusual ... my mind goes into overdrive. That's pretty normal, I'd say. There was a pair of Siamese twins, I think it was the originals, who had a falling out and didn't speak for about 10 years. That's weird too.
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Give this guy a break for Christ sakes. There are a few of us guys who do look for that inner beauty, the soul of that person. Big hooters, juicy buttocks, take them all. Give me someone who is comfortable in her own body, isn't selfish and egotisic and has some smarts about her. Besids gravity is gonna take over in the long run but that inner beauty never fades unless it is ignored.
So to the twins, you go. I wish you all the happiness and love you can handle!
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He is marrying both of them if the other got married as well then both men would be sharing the same arms when cuddling and the same sex organs.,
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So I guess what you're all trying to say is that women without reproductive organs aren't really women at all?? Fuck- there's a lot of nill-gendered people out there, isn't there--- what should we name these mystical creatures with breasts and no ovaries of their own?? hmmm, Men? Nope, shit, they don't have dicks either-- Oh well, lets just call them freaks and write nasty little comments about how kinky their sex lives must be!
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Hmmm. Good on 'em though. It's hard enough for a single-headed girl to find a decent bloke these days. I'm well impressed.
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I'm sure all three people are as happy as they can be, and I'm shocked at Teresa's implication that the twins parents might not have let them live. Nowhere in this post was there even a hint of such murderous intent from anyone.
Oh, and imagine if they read this? How do you think they would feel? It's also never nice to assume things about people you've never met, like the kind of people they attract. Why do we have to jump to conclusions?
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No-one was making assumptions, PMC, simply throwing a few thoughts into the air, as people do.
As for the implication that the twins parents might not let them live: I was told years ago by nurses that when babies are born with deformities such as this it is left up to the parents to decide if they are to live. I just assumed everyone knew this. If more people looked beyond 'normal' then we would have many more strange looking people. Have you ever seen the 1932 film 'Freaks'?
I'm sure these girls have plenty of more important things to deal with in their lives than to worry about a few people discussing how they would have sex.
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Well thank god Teresa, in Australia we've a multitude of specialist facilities (institutions) where these "strange" people are locked up and kept away from us "normal" people.
I don't know Teresa, why do people get so worked about about off-hand comments on blog sites? You seem to be a prime example--- and if you have an issue with any of my, OFF-HAND comments, perhaps the best person to address these with is me, not just random bloggers whom have no control over me as the individual entity that I am (just a thought!).
Comment by a mother of conjoined twins
sorry your thoughts and feelings are what they are...your comments effect more than the girls themselves, but all the people who know them and other families and friends of conjoined twins like ourselves. Each of us are a miracles, and I feel blessed God chose me to be the mother of my two beautiful daughters. My advice to those of you with your curious minds...channel your energy to volunteering somewhere to be helpful rather than wondering how God has already decided for us how our lives will go...
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leave teresa alone, shes got a much better point than any of you realize. most parents would have risked an almost certainly fatal surgery (which im sure you'll argue with).
and now that ive put my normal two cents in, now im going for the horrible two cents.
double head, that would be freakin' sweet. thats right, i went there.
So if god created them, what the fuck was his plan?
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So it was important to make that distinction for the purpose of marriage.
In reality its a two for one deal for the husband.
My advice is not to rush into marriage but live with them and see how things go.
The kinky thrills might wane pretty quickly.
Also remember sex isnt only involving the genitals.
I hope that they can take turns at blow jobs.
He should be able to count on double the bj action.
In a way thats a fair compensation for twice the nagging he will need to put up with.
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Also, if it becomes pregnant, who knows whose egg it will be?
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As each partner (or single, if masturbating) approaches orgasm, their bodies put hormones into their blood stream. When these super-concentrated hormones reach the brain, they burn-in whatever image, feeling, sensation, or any other input the person is receiving. This burned-in sensation is now a turn-on.
As my own curiosity permited, I masturbated to the idea of my girlfriend and I hugging and the lighthearted feeling she created. As a result, when we hugged and/or kissed, I got aroused. (for those curious, this was when I was in Highschool and still learing more rapidly than I could keep track of.)
All this to say that when/if Brittany has sex with her hubby, Abby will become attached to him emotionally as well. If she has a strong, stubborn mind, and is extremely disinterested in every way, she will probably fight it off pretty well, but these hormones are powerfull. If she doesn't have a strong mind (like 99% of humanity, including me) she won't stand up long at all and will probably end up wishing within the year that He was her husband too.
To help show how powerfull these hormones are, I will share that I am one of those few guys out there who love a woman for her soul, not her chest or bjs or whatever your thing is. Being the loving man I am, I don't want to lust after my girlfriend's body, therefore I am currently single until I get my hormones straight (14 months so far, and still no idea of when I can permit myself to love another) of course, concerning mattes of love, my mind is weak. concerning most other matters, I am very loud and stubborn, a very testing predicament I have been battling since I started puberty and have yet to solve.
If you wish to ask me questions or discuss something, feel free to email me at lifestudent101@gmail.com because I more than likely will not visit this page again.
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As each partner (or single, if masturbating) approaches orgasm, their bodies put hormones into their blood stream. When these super-concentrated hormones reach the brain, they burn-in whatever image, feeling, sensation, or any other input the person is receiving. This burned-in sensation is now a turn-on.
As my own curiosity permited, I masturbated to the idea of my girlfriend and I hugging and the lighthearted feeling she created. As a result, when we hugged and/or kissed, I got aroused. (for those curious, this was when I was in Highschool and still learing more rapidly than I could keep track of.)
All this to say that when/if Brittany has sex with her hubby, Abby will become attached to him emotionally as well. If she has a strong, stubborn mind, and is extremely disinterested in every way, she will probably fight it off pretty well, but these hormones are powerfull. If she doesn't have a strong mind (like 99% of humanity, including me) she won't stand up long at all and will probably end up wishing within the year that He was her husband too.
To help show how powerfull these hormones are, I will share that I am one of those few guys out there who love a woman for her soul, not her chest or bjs or whatever your thing is. Being the loving man I am, I don't want to lust after my girlfriend's body, therefore I am currently single until I get my hormones straight (14 months so far, and still no idea of when I can permit myself to love another) of course, concerning mattes of love, my mind is weak. concerning most other matters, I am very loud and stubborn, a very testing predicament I have been battling since I started puberty and have yet to solve.
If you wish to ask me questions or discuss something, feel free to email me at lifestudent101@gmail.com because I more than likely will not visit this page again.
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Comment by GlenB
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At least Brittany's sister couldn't screw her husband behind her back!
Comment by R. Willis
I think that both of them know that their situation is different from most americans and this way they can both get a legal christian marriage. I am sure that God knows the situation they are presented [although I am a believer in science] and it would be improper for them to have two separate husbands sharing the same vagina--because it would complicate things between both sisters and the men as to producing offspring with different dna from the same organism and its also incest for both of them being both mom and aunt [atleast from a religous point of view]. The government will not allow one man to marry both of them because that would open up a large array of problems with the homosexual marriage situation.
I think that the man 'britney' is marrying will be a great husband to both britney and abigail. He is probably one of their close friends and the three of them have come to terms with the fate. I think that he is getting two special women who will love him unconditionally.
This family situation is great because there will be three incomes and when the kids are born, they may have to deal with teasing, as I am bure brit and abby have come to terms with over the years, but will be better cared for than most children in the american population.
Besides, individuals how have come before and after me, sex is a private matter! Exactly how do you have sex with your spouse? How deep is your wife's vagina or how big is your husband's penis? Uncomfortable, right? Let them decide how they will have sex because its really not a public matter.
My perception may be incorrect, but I hope britney and abigail have a wonderful life that is full of love, passion, romance, and most of all happiness. Everyone has struggles and it brings joy to my heart to see how these two sisters have coped with their biological status--and have unconditional love for each other.
Comment by Judy, Florida
You should be thanking God that you did not have to go through it either in your life or your childrens life.
Pray for them and their spouses and children to be. Grow up and find another site to trash.
Scripture tells us to be thankful in all things. Are you??
Comment by ValMickey
I must say, I'm fascinated by both of them. I hope things turn out well for the both of them.
Comment by Anonymous
And anonymous who is calling them 'a monster", don't you think there are child rapists and serial killers to scream that at? I guarentee you the true monster is in the mind, and it seems you are one as well.
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They are indeed separate individuals that just happen to have their bodies conjoined. They each have separate heads, mouths, esophaguses, stomachs, and lungs although the lungs facing each other in the middle conjoin toward the bottom lobe. Their small intestines start out as separate then conjoin and from there on, everything is one. One large intestine, one bladder, one colon, one reproductive system. They do have 3 kidneys and an XL conjoined liver. They each control their respective sides of the body -- Abby controls the right arm and right leg, Brittany controls the left arm and left leg. When they took their driving tests, Abby controls the pedals and the shifter, Brittany controls the turn signal and the windshield wipers, and they both steer. They accomplish this easily because they've grown up since birth learning how to coordinate their halfs of the body -- they walk, run, swim on a swim team, play softball, play volleyball, type e-mails together, etc. If you spent every waking moment with someone from birth to almost 19 years of age, you would learn to be coordinated with them too. Plus twins have that special psychological connection, thus they understand each other and are on the same wavelength. It's no different than identical twins who live across the country from each other and somehow just "know" when something is wrong with the other. These two just happen to be conjoined. The girls had to be authorized 2 driver's licenses because they have 2 separate social security numbers, thus the government identifies them as 2 separate people. I would assume that this also means they cannot marry the same man as it would be illegal. HOWEVER, this would be something that would be individually decided by the girls AND the court system as needed -- just like when they discussed if they got pulled over and recieved a traffic ticket...they would let the court decide who would get the ticket based on the infraction and who was controlling the corresponding part of the vehicle (or if both would get a ticket). As for sex -- because there's a split right down the middle of the body in terms of nerve endings, they both would feel it. And for their sake, I hope both would be able to get enjoyment out of it. If you think about it, they have done all intimate things together since birth -- urinating, defecating, dealing with their period, bathing, dressing, etc...sex would be right along the same lines and probably not bother either to have to be present. If the other didn't want to partake in the act, they would either not go through with it or the non-participant would probably put on headphones and tune it out or something. Just like other conjoined twins do when one is doing something the other doesn't want to be part of. It's something they will have to decide how to handle between themselves and also with their respective partner(s), who obviously will have had to think about that situation and be comfortable with it before they even started dating either of them.
In regard to the comment above from whoever said they were told by nurses that parents could choose whether deformed babies live or not...that only applies to babies with massive deformities that require them to be on some kind of life support -- respirator, dialysis, etc. Parents can choose to pull the plug and allow nature to take its course. In the case with Abby and Britney, they were perfectly functional right at birth and did NOT require any kind of life support, thus they lived on their own and thrived. You cannot choose to "euthanize" them like an unwanted dog. That's disturbing. Also, their parents had no idea they were expecting twins let alone conjoined girls. They were expecting one baby and were surprised right along with the doctors when they pulled Abby and Brittany out.
It doesn't make anyone a "freak" to wonder these types of things about these 2 extraordinary ladies. It is human nature to be curious and inquisitive about things out of the ordinary, and doctors are just as curious about them as the public. However, it has been the parents' and the girls' choice to not be subjected to medical testing unless medically necessary for health reasons. They don't feel that they should be a science experiment, they just want to do everything they can to live normal lives as much as possible and when situations arise, make the best of it and compromise. I think they should be APPLAUDED for their hard work, dedication, and courage.
Comment by adiefiona
As a single person in a single body, I too have a difficult time imagining how both the physical and emotional issues play out in terms of their dating and marriage. No matter what there will have to be some degree of sharing. However, as the lovely person above me pointed out, their conception of intimacy is very different from all of ours, so it doesn't have to make sense to us.
Please, go easy on these ladies. They are beautiful, graceful, and strong, and highly committed to living as normal a life as all their peers do. They accomplish that goal magnificently. If you haven't watched their documentaries, look them up on YouTube: "Joined for Life" 1 through 5. They explain a lot about their lives and you see the remarkable way in which they live in their very unique situation. Anyone who is hating on them will probably feel a lot differently after they watch these. Be kind; they are just other human beings like us, they feel just as we do. Treat them as you would anyone else.
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Their two seperate people! NOT monsters you JERKS!!!
one is in love, im not sure how but yea. and I hope the best for
hermarriage if she goes through with it<3
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I'm not surprised that Brittany is the first to be engaged, from the Documentaries, I got the impression that she's the more romantic/emotional of the two.
It's not our business to invade Brittany's sex life, I mean, none of you would want to tell the world what you do with your Boyfriend when you're alone.
I just hope that her fiancée is a reasonable, nice person and not some pervert like those who are present here and wish her (and Abby) good luck at fulfilling their wish of becoming Mums one day.
Comment by Anonymous
Good healthy questions are not about "how" they have sex, but if they agree to it. What if one doesn't agree and her twin has sex - isn't that rape? If one is married and the other not, isn't that illegal in about 49 states?
The children - whose are they, especially if two husbands are actively involved. Will a DNA test reveal the real mother?
Besides, someone blogged that Brittany controls a leg. From what I have read Abby controls both legs and Brittany controls only the left arm. I would think walking would not be as graceful if each controlled a leg.
Which gets me to my next point. Brittany only feels the upper right part of the torso and right arm. Does she feel anything below the waist? And if Brittany doesn't, that would mean Brittany's future husband would only be giving pleasure to Abby during sex with her.
Please clarify if you have better info.
I truly mean no disrespect to anyone, especially Abby and Brittany.
The twins are a Joy and I only wish the best for them.
I only bring these questions to bear because these are the issues that are pertinent to them, our legal system and the general morality issues of the entire world.
Truly a time of testing our beliefs.
Comment by adiefiona
The documentary also explained what organs are shared, and their entire reproductive system is shared. That means that they would probably sense equally, and that the DNA in their eggs would be the same. So if they both have children with different husbands, their children would biologically be half-siblings. But Abby and Brittany are legally two individual people with distinct driver's licenses and Social Security numbers. So their children would be legally the child of the husband in question and whichever mother's name was put on the birth certificate. The father of the child would be determined by DNA testing, so his wife would naturally be written down on the birth certificate as the mother.
I know the idea of having 2 husbands with 2 wives sharing 1 body seems really weird when we think about the sensations and intimacy of sex, but as one astute commenter here pointed out, they are such an exception that things that seem weird to us are just normal to them. They and their husbands would obviously come to an understanding,
ALSO, by the way, I read from a reliable source that Brittany is NOT engaged, it was just a malicious rumor.
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Points out that Abby has full control of both legs-
"Abby controls the legs so will operate the pedals, they each control their own arm so both will steer but no-one really understands how the visual information is processed."
I also believe that quite possibly Brittany doesn't feel either leg as well, as control and feelings usually go together. I know the spinal columns are completely separate and I speculate that only Abby's spinal column are connected to the nerves that go below the coccyx. The fact that walking is so graceful really supports this theory.
I appreciate waht you said, "that it is well documented that Brittany controls the left side of the body", but I have not seen any video, documentation that support that.
If you have a link to support your statement, it would be "more" appreciated.
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And note the first few sentences of this video: Abby only controls the right arm and leg, Brittany the left side. Neither has any sensation of the other's side of the body.
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And note the first few sentences of this video: Abby only controls the right arm and leg, Brittany the left side. Neither has any sensation of the other's side of the body.
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I think that makes them so much more amazing.
Actually, unbelievable.
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Now get back to that homework!!!
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But aside from the practicalities I just said, you are a DISGUSTING, HEARTLESS, IGNORANT PERSON to say such a thing. If you knew ANYTHING about them you would know how completely wrong that would be, so until you know something about them other than what they look like you should not be talking here.
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As a matter of fact, BRITNEY is MARRIED Now. They have often said they are looking forward to becoming Mothers. I would imagine that their Conception would be done by I.V.F., and that they would have a Caesarian Birth (mainly for Safety Reasons); but I could be wrong, and if they can have natural sexual Intercourse and Conceive, and then give Birth naturally, well GOOD LUCK to them. Some of you people have Sick Minds, saying that Any Guy would have to be A Sex Deviate: That IS NOT TRUE. If I fell in love with Either of them, I would treat HER just like any OTHER Normal girl; and I would treat the Sister just like I would treat An Other Normal Sister-In-Law.
As for Sex, I would only Partake in Physical Sex in compliance with The Sisters terms; and I'm sure that The Sister would Turn a Blind Eye to our Actions. As a matter of fact, from what I have heard, whilst they were dating prior to Britney getting married, the other would Take A Book with her. Sex is a Beautiful Thing, NOT SOMETHING DIRTY, like Some Of You are implying. I am Sure that One wouldn't Deprive Her Sister of Such Pleasure. I'm sure that they have discussed the situation and came to some solution long before it was time for that to happen.
So, Some Of You Rude People Need To GET A LIFE And Learn how To Respect Those 2 Gorgeous Girls !!! . . . . . How Would YOU ALL Feel If They Were YOUR OWN DAUGHTERS And Other People Were Making Discusting Rude Unkind Remarks About YOUR CHILDREN !!????!!!??
WE LOVE YOU BOTH BRITNEY & ABBY. GOOD LUCK PRECIOUS GIRLS. Congratulations Brittany on Your Marriage and Congratulations Abby on Being A Loving Caring & Understanding Sister (and Sister-In-Law).
xoxoxo Hugs & Kisses to you both.
Comment by Anonymous
The only real exception to your comments is that when, or if, they have sexual intercourse it's not going to be easy for one girl to "turn that blind eye.
It has been made clear that the each girl controls and feels their half of the body. Shares the senses of that area of there body. So if one girl has sex, both feel it. So if one doesn't want sex, that would constitute rape. So the only other option here is, that both girls "want" sex.
It's not a problem for me, because maybe I am part perv, but many see this as totally unacceptable behavior. Essentially it will be a threesome every time they have sex with a guy. I guess one girl could volunteer to be knocked-out. I was going to say drugged, but that would affect both girls. I'm not trying to be rude and it's obvious that threesomes are not socially accepted by many. So everyone could,just turn a blind eye or deal with it.
Apparently, not only do they have senses around and in their portion the vagina, it is assumed that if one girl climaxes the other one would as well. I'm not sure, but I would assume that that's actually infinitely more difficult for them as it's hard for many women to climax even when they have one body wired to one brain.
So every thing being what it is, I believe they will figure it all out and have fun doing so. You go girl(s).
I applaud them and wish them a wonderful life.
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then maybe they could both get engaged.
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Congratulations Brittany Hensel and her wonderful husband to be.
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I am so happy for you both and your fiance and I pray for a happy, healthy life and I pray for the best for all of you and I hope that the public will leave you alone and that you can lead a normal private life, you both deserve this. Thanks for sharing your lives with us on TV, but, I do hope everyone leaves you both alone to live your lives to the fullest and the way you both want to live it. Have a great life and continue to enjoy life. Ignore all the stupid comments that people say, you both were created wonderfully and beautifully. Take care, have fun at your wedding.
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I really hope they have a happy life. But,...in all honesty....if it were me and my conjoined twin were to get married, I would probably ask the doctors if there were a way that I could take some sort of sleeping aid or use some type of meditatopm technique. So I could not be fully aware when my twin and her husband were being intimate. That is an emotional tender moment and it will be a very difficult adjustment to make when three people are in such a relationship. Serioussly...they both will technically be the mother of future children, because they both will have to give birth. The genetics of regular twins is hard enough and I couldn't even imagine being a conjoined twin. As for the man or men that marry into such a situation...all I can say is that you should get professional help to help you to be prepared for such a situation, because dealing with the in-laws is hard enough without having one attached to your wife in bed for the next 50 years.
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as for the girls , i wish them the best life of parenting and marriage they can endure , i wish ya both the best of luck , life is a highway and young ladies should enjoy , conjoined or not !
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Clearly if one dies the other will die also. And I noticed that you chastised us for having curiosities. Told us to "LET THEM BE". Then you went ON to ponder your own curiousities. That's called being a hypocrite sweetie. Don't tell us to let them be and then continue on with your OWN questions about them. That's the pot calling the kettle black. Why don't YOU let them be!?
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So, now why don't YOU let them be, and practice what you preach, mmmkay?
And by the way, you can't CHEAT on someone who is RIGHT THERE. Cheating implies behind someone's back, in secret. Jeesh...
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And I'd like to know in what state adultery is illegal still (don't get me wrong I think it SHOULD BE illegal in every state). It may be technically illegal still in some states but it's just a lawsuit away from being made UNillegal for lack of a better term.
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If the girls engage in a threesome, or anyone else does, society shouldn't jump on their case.
So this is blog a message about our crazy society rules, not how these girls are getting it done.
The curiosity over how these girls share intimate (daily) rituals - sexual or anything else, is fascinating to us mere mortals, but it is their privacy that we always need to respect.
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Sorry, but, one set of fingerprints, that's one person.
And the fact that she got a drivers liscense is just ludicrous! What the hell state is this where the DMV is persuaded by hype, or the mom or whatever, and they put a person like that behind the wheel? One second of a lapse in coordination could kill someone!
Not that long ago, when the baby was born, it would have been put to sleep. And then the parents would have been locked up or burned at the stake for devil worship or something. Just because today we CAN keep something alive doesn't mean we HAVE to. Sorry, but there's over 8 billion people on this planet now, it's 2010 people. (They've been saying SIX billion since the 70's folks) Wake up. Without population control, in just 300 years there will be 1.3 trillion.
Someone asked me in a discussion like this once, "Who are you to decide if someone comes into this world?" My answer is simple, and right, "One who is already here." You wouldn't let a bunch of strangers come into your house and start living there, would you? And then more and more, every week until you're crawling over people just to get through your house? And the government saying you have to let them live there? No, you wouldn't tolerate that. Just because YOU don't have to deal with overpopulation every day in your lifestyle doesn't mean others aren't having to suffer elsewhere.
Yes, I'm sure she's a good person and all that, now that they let her live, and develop, and BECOME a person. Now it's too late, and you have a developed person, who is going to need a lot of therapy after her mom screwed with her head(s). It must have taken a lot of campaigning and bribes to get the doctors and the gov't to regard her as two SEPARATE people. (hoping for two checks perhaps?) She's not separate, she's CONJOINED! God, people are so stupid.
One vagina = one woman. Sorry, but that's the truth. And what nobody is asking is, who would seriously wanna have children with her anyway, knowing how they might turn out?
She may have two heads, and both may argue about it, but in the end, this is one person, and that's how the law should have ruled on it. She should not have to work and have a job. I am sure she could qualify for SSD or some kind of help.
Seriously, she needs to get into therapy. The attitudes I've seen in the documentaries and interviews aren't healthy. How delusional and arrogant can you be to know what kind of problems you have (and will have later on) and still think you have the right to create more babies? Think of how messed up her babies are gonna be. This shows that she is living in the delusional fantasy world created by her idealistic parents.
Look, I know I sound like a bastard here, but think about it! If I met her IRL yeah I would probably love her too, we could be friends, and she's wonderful and puppies and hearts and rainbows etc etc, She's already here, and now, because of her problems, she will need an enormous amount of support, understanding and common sense. This isn't about that. It's about thinking ahead, and considering that there are ACTIONS and CONSEQUENCES!! Something most people today seem totally ignorant of. Responsibility.
For now, people may not have to think about consequences, we still live in a society that actually pays people to make more babies, and they take that money from the ones who don't. But eventually, we will have Population Management. It works pretty well in China, and it will work in the USA too.
The more of something there is, the less valuable it becomes. Think about it.
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And since you're worried about overpopulation, why don't you volunteer to off yourself to make room for someone else. If you really want to put your money where your mouth is, you'll kill yourself and do your part for civilization.
My HOUSE is mine. The world is not. And really your argument makes the opposite point you want it to make. There is a shirt that says, AS A FORMER EMBRYO, I OPPOSE ABORTION. Meaning, it's the ones who ARE here that have no right to say who shouldn't, BECAUSE WE LET YOU IN. Your logic is flawed.
If you're talking about living where it's crowded in the US, MOVE!!!! There is plenty of wide open land out there. Just because all the idiots want to congregate in LA and New York doens't mean the SANE, intelligent people should buy your scare tactics. There is plenty of room, but you can't choose to live in a New York highrise and then claim it's crowded.
And AGAIN, your arguement ACTUALLY supports the opposite of what you seem to think it does. I'll copy and paste your sentence only insert a different word to show you how your attempt backfires. Actually, just because YOU feel overcrowded doesn't mean that OTHERS can't be born. That's YOUR problem. It's not the job of other human beings to make room for YOU. Don't like it, take a dirt nap. Just saying...
Luckily no one has to give a shit about what you think. You're entiled to your opinion, and so are her parents. I DO feel sorry for any kids you might be the parents of. Oh, wait, you shouldn't have HAD any parents. If you have children then you're a hypocrite. You're part of the problem. Simply put, if you are a parent, then everything you just typed is a joke. You can't be taken seriously. You can't claim that she shouldn't have been allowed to live because of overpopulation, YET HAVE SPAWNED YOURSELF. Like I said, that would make you a hypocrite.
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If the fact that they aren't separate, whole and complete, as far as a body goes, then maybe we should 'off' millions of incomplete people in this world, including a bunch of war vets -- ludicrous, but it would save a lot of money.
But the threesome comment....well it's truely hard to get away from that one.
If you are saying that some girl can actually turn a blind eye while being poked - but wait... I remember a girlfriend like that once.
...Geewiz, maybe it's not a threesome after all, but a twosome with another person actively present, feeling it as it goes in her and she's just trying to ignore every stroke and maybe that awful, gigantic climax at the end of it all.
Are you trying to tell me she's going to ignore all that!
....What a sad state of affairs!!!
Personally, I'd cheat on her sister and enjoy every moment with her lover!!
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They do have diffent personalities. And quite possibley different morals and values. The fact that they can not separate doesn't mean they are having skanky threesomes or accomplices to one anothers choices in behavior. There is no escape for that for them. If two prisoners are chained together and one stabbs a guard, is the poor slob unfortunate enough to be chained to him guilty also just because the cops chained them together?
Clearly if the other girl got married also, the men would share the body, but the emotional and spiritual connection would still be with the individual personality.
It's nothing that any of us can imagine, and attempting it is futile.
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If one of two handcuffed men stab a guard they do have individual hands, minds and conduct. the other is not an accomplice.
If one sister has a one night stand, about the only way that will happen is if the other sister simply allows it. Or she can say no and if necessary resist with a leg, a knee and an arm or she can bite an ear off. Pretty hard for a sister to have a good time with all that going on.
I'm just saying that if there is a one night stand by one and the other allows it, in doing so, it's her pussy she's still has to allow access to. Even as she lets here sister and her lover have have the time of their lives.
I'm sorry, I don't see a rape here...only one sister allowing her sister some fun...but absolutely not rape in my book.
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The sister that allows her sister to have a one night stand while turning a blind eye, is in the room.
Her sister and her lover, while having wild passionate sex, are also by default causing the sister with the blind eye thing, all the feelings of penetration, touch and hormones to rush her.
So just by allowing her sister to have sex, she is by default present - a third person is having sexual intercourse with her sister's lover, husband or whoever, whenever or however sex occurs with any sister at any time now or in the future...period.
So do the math - it's a threesome.
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But as far as a true love connection for each sister, we can only hope they both find that perfect partner and that all four of them can sleep together comfortably.
(I wouldn't want my wife to be sleeping with her sister and her husband without me. I'd get jealous)
Since the twins are connected the husbands will have to be understanding...it's just geographics.
Hope they get a big bed!
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Who the hell said it was RAPE???? Dear God, now you can't even grasp or comprehend English? The rape scenerio was an ANALOGY (should I give you time to google that word?) Clearly you're just an idiot if you didn't know that by the text. At least now I know what level of intelligence I'm dealing with here.
Ummmm, yeah, the sister IS in the room. Thanks Einstein. And your point is......? And you talking about sex is just.....gross, so please don't. "To rush her"? You're just....ewwww.
She's present BY DEFAULT?? Honey, she's present BECAUSE SHE'S ATTACHED. What is wrong with you; by default. Do you even know what that word means? It makes no sense in your sentence.
And, here, I'll say it SLOWLY so you can try to understand. A THREESOME isn't JUST about math. It's about a CHOICE in behavior. Intent. A THREESOME implies that three people are getting together to experience a nasty, illicit, or perverted sexual experience. These two sisters aren't engaging in any of that. They would just be having sex with a spouse and FORCED to have the other one present. Perhaps, along with the words analogy and default, you could google the word threesome.
A threesome implies a secret, planned, or conspired rendevous of seediness.
Yes, FAULTY logic.
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We're trying to apply standards and logistics that just don't compute here.
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Seediness and secret weren't listed for definitions I found for the word "threesome".
So let me help you understand the basic definitions you screwed-up in context here:
Default: means if she does nothing, she is going to be part of the threesome "because" she's is attached and , by default, (not taking some action to do otherwise), will be present.
The definition for Threesome: Three people engaged in sexual intercourse.
That one is pretty simple, huh?!
So here it is again:
She's there by default. Read slowly... Even if she willingly allows her sister's lover to penetrate her sister's vagina (that's sexual intercourse) - she is being penetrated too. (again by default)
Even if she manages to turn a complete blind-eye to the situation (and frankly that's impossible), her vagina is actively being penetrated by a penis - and the definition of that is - sexual intercourse.
So now let's wrap it up:
How many people involved with sexual intercourse here (and none against their will? - Answer: 3
Three people having sexual intercourse is called what? - Answer: a threesome.
And yes, I did look these up.
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Your feeble attempt at schooling me about what default means was a flop since there IS no threesome. Nice try though.
The only thing simple is your mind here. Yes, there ARE indeed THREE people in a threesome. And I guess in your elementary world that's all there is. However, language has more dimensions. There are cultural elements to words. The may have stigmas attached. They are far more complex than I'm sure your mind can probably digest. A threesome is more than simply 3 people involved in a sexual act. Try to abandoned your "see tree, must hump" school of though for a moment here if you will...a threesome, as I have already explained isn't JUST about math (however I AM pleased that you can actually count to three), it has a negative conotation in our society (perhaps not in your personal society, but in general). It is sleezy. I'm sorry if Webster didn't draw you a picture of two bimbos and a dirty old man, maybe you could have related to that?
SO...sorry I don't have stick figures for you, or maybe the doll you used in therapy...in the Hensel's case how could the unmarried sister refuse the married one of HAVING SEX WITH HER HUSBAND? I mean, I'm sure you're used to the word NO, but let's assume that the one twin and her husband LIKE each other. Of COURSE the spinster sister, sharing a VAGINA and all, is going to oblige, as she has be obliging ALL ALONG.
In fact, I'm sure these two have fine tuned ways to tune each other out in ways that you and I can't even imagine. Perhaps they have come up with a way to even do it during a newlywed rompfest. One can only hope.
If YOU call the act of one sister letting her twin have sex with her husband without putting up a fight a THREESOME, then YOU GO GIRL!!
I, on the other hand, do not. To ME, a threesome, not ONLY has THREE PEOPLE (and I know it's hard for you to let that bare bones concept go), but it ALSO carries with it a SLEEZE factor, which is NOT there in this case.
I actually did try to read your post slowly, but the sentences were so simple and lackluster, so elementary that I breezed through them. I, as you can see, have a much more defined way with words. Not so much the gift of gab, but a forte for the written milieu.
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I don't know what the one poster means by "married to her vagina".BUT I'm assuming that these two girls, who are Christians and most likely have morals that reflect that faith, will not be out bed hopping like most permiscous American women, so I don't think that will be an issue. I also doubt that the "other" twin maintains a lifestyle of bar and club hopping looking for single men to screw as the poster suggests. But they have been dealing with the issue of wanting to do two different things at the same time their whole life, so this is no different.
And clearly the "read a book" poster is too stupid to recognize that we ARE reading. AND replying. And interacting with people. YOU might want to try it yourself. Not to mention that the poster is also clearly a hypocrite, as WHILE she told us WE need to read a book, SHE/HE is NOT reading a book and is ALSO on the internet responding to people on a message board.
Again, pot calling the kettle black. Just one more internet hypocrite troll.
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What is interesting to me, one poster here claims that this didn't qualify as a threesome.
To be honest, even if the one twin obliges to allow her portion of her body to be accessed by the other twin's husband. At some moment in the ordeal(s), if you will, the obliging twin may find the physical penetration and other feelings rather pleasant, interesting or even exciting.
It is in this very moment that I would say that all three are involved in an emotional and physical threesome - by whatever definition of threesome you have.
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Additionally, discussion of the definition of their sexual relations is just a diversion from the real issue here: two couples sharing their own individual romances, while the two women share the same body.
The girls wouldn't marry anyone who didn't accept them as they are, and any man who was "weirded out" by this issue wouldn't want to marry them. They would go into the marriage with a full understanding and agreement to how it would work. If they loved each other enough they would work it out just so they could be together, and their love would come before any secondary logistics.
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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!
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TECHNICALLY....YES ?
By whatever socially, politically correct or generally accepted definition the world (or perverts) wants to give this, hopefully the love the twins and their husbands share in will be society accepted.
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T2: Guys? I'm so sorry. (crying). I know you guys where having fun and everything, but I just need to be honest here and let you guys know - I just cheated.
H1: What? You didn't! How could you.
T2: Well, I didn't mean to...it just kinda happened. (sniffle) It really didn't mean a thing, honest!
H2: Well that's the last time...it's time for a divorce!!!! (crushed and hurt, he stomps out of the room)
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They grew up around normal boys and girls. One of them likes one of them.
It's not like they moved into a new town and all the pervs turned their heads. Got it?
And if there's sex, the other can put on headphones or something. It's up to them to figure it out.
Now for the people going monster, go ahead imagine yourself snuffing the life out of these two girls. Oh, you need a vomit bag and therapy now? Good! Welcome back to humanity. Now get a life, you trigger happy knee jerking attention hogging little s***s.
Like leave Brittany and Abby alone or something.
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The threesome comments: They both have their separate drivers license and ss numbers so it can be defined as a threesome. Unless we are defining them as people by "fingerprints"
IF the body functions are split both must participate in a hug. I believe in sex it would be the same. Having sex moving only half your body would be very limiting.
I'm sure am curious on the arrangement made.
The truth is that both girls have to learn to live together without fighting and each taking turns deciding what they want to do and where to go.
Props to them for patience and unselfishness. I don't know many people who could spend every moment of their lives with the same person without becoming resentful of the person's company and wanting some alone time.
There is always someone who will accept us for who we are and it is nice that they can find someone too.
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I wonder what it's like never being alone.
You can't drug your twin sister asleep or you knock yourself out too.
If one twin doesn't get sleep for like 30 hours even as the other twin gets normal sleep, does one or both of them feel tired. Or maybe only one needs to sleep for both of them.
If one exerts herself (somehow), I'm sure both feel the the same exhaustion level. If they jog, do they both breath heavy?
I think they have three lungs - so does that and two mouths/airways help in breathing and getting oxygen into the body?
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They should write a book. It would most likely be a great financial move and you KNOW the publishing companies would fight for them.
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How about marriage? How would the day to day be with two husbands.
I think having two husbands "in the family", if they are the right guys, would make life so much better for everyone concerned.
The income needed for special health issues, raising the baby(s). One could stay home while the other worked. It would be so much harder for one husband to take care of them all.
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I'd make a film about it! And I'll say I'd share the proceeds with them (really I won't). Then they'd move to India where everybody there worships us circus freaks as gods and live happily ever after!
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If YOU had an indentical twin, and the two of you married identical twins, and then you both went on to have children, are you saying that you could swap kids and that would be ok with you simply because both sets of parents are identical twins??? Clearly you didn't pay attention in biology class
Just because both sets of twin PARENTS may have the same DNA doesn't mean their KIDS are going to look alike!! In fact one married couple could have a BOY and the other a GIRL. Idiot.
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(sigh) Life would be so much easier for ALL of us if we could just see 'all' children as our children....and respect each other.
Instead of attacking me...you could have made a rational observation. I pity you, Shan...I hope you don't relate to that way to everyone who has unique observations that are different from yours. I was being sincere in my thoughts....it was 'just a thought. That doesn't mean it's right or wrong, mate....it was just a thought...
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And what's with the hypocricy? You want ME to "respect" YOUR post, but your comeback to mine was "I pity you"? Practice what you preach MATEY. And what's with the name calling? Wanker? Funny in your attempt to teach me to respect people with other views you managed to reduce YOURSELF to the level of hypocritical namecaller. Great logic!
And exactly Jensee, the man married to whichever twin the child belongs to would be the one to whom he calls father. Except that WHICH twin is the mother? They share their reproductive system, so WHICH one is the "real' mother? There is only one way to call that one and that's to do a DNA test to see which husband did the sire'ing : )
But really, I wonder if they can even HAVE children. I tend to doubt it.
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And AGAIN, cheating is about deception. There will be no deception happening. What is WRONG with you people?
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You have to REPENT, with a SORROWFULL heart, in order to be forgiven. And what LAWS are you referring to? Forgiveness is done through mercy, not laws.
And YOU can't atone for your own sins. Only Christ can attone.
And Jews must come to salvation the same way as we all must, brain not withstanding.
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However, what you can't or don't have will actually piss you off, you just don't understand that yet.
Yeah - you're going to claim you know more..bla, bla, bla...heard it all before..
You may not like it, but I'm praying for you, bro.
(to my very real God).
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